Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Tough Girl: It's Not A Name, It's A Warning


So happy to have Libby Heily, author of Tough Girl, as a guest today for some Q & A. Libby was one of my very earliest blogging buddies, and I remember when this project of hers was in its infancy. Two years later she is finally ready to share Tough Girl with the world. First the blurb:

Danger lurks everywhere in eleven year old Reggie's world—from the bully next door to the unwanted attentions of a creep at school. Raised by her mentally ill mother, Reggie is left to fend for herself in a rough neighborhood. She escapes in daydreams, battling aliens with her alter ego, Tough Girl. When Reggie's mother disappears, her fantasy life spirals out of control and starts to invade reality. She is hunted by a creature of her own design, and even Tough Girl is not strong enough to stop him. Will Reggie survive long enough for her mother to return, or will her dream world take over? Contains adult themes and adult language.


I've read the book, and now I want to know how eleven year old Reggie became the main character of your adult novel. 

I had a rough idea of the plot before I ever knew who the main character was going to be. The basic idea was a girl slipping into a dream world.  Reggie came slowly over time.  Reggie in the first draft is not Reggie in the final version of Tough Girl.  I grew to know her better over the two years I worked on the story.  Every time I put her in a dangerous situation, she managed to remain calm and move forward.  In all honesty, even though she is fictional, I ended up really admiring Reggie and wishing I was more like her. 

Love it when that happens with a character. I feel the same way about my warrior woman. So, is Reggie mentally ill? Or just incredibly alone and desperate, coping the best way she can?

Reggie has a lot of issues, but I wouldn't say she's mentally ill.  She's definitely afraid of becoming ill like her mother, and she may very well one day.  During the story, she's dangerously underfed, suffers from insomnia and is under immense stress.  I think those three things combined take a toll on her that she cannot cope with mentally.

Did you always know Reggie's fantasy world and reality would collide, or was that something that grew organically as you wrote?

I always knew the two worlds would interact, but I didn't know how exactly.  The issues Reggie is wrestling with are terrifying and complex and she more or less has a break down throughout the novel, so it was a challenge to figure out how much of her fantasies should bleed through into reality and in what ways.  The dynamic between the two worlds grew and morphed with every draft, starting first with the character of Tough Girl, and growing organically from there.

Did you have a rich fantasy life as a kid? Or did you ever use fantasy to "check out" of reality?

Reggie is definitely not based on me, but her habit of daydreaming is something I stole from my own life.  I had a very rich fantasy life, often times casting myself in other realities.  I'm the youngest of six kids and grew up in a three-bedroom starter house.  My mind was the only peaceful place I could find and I spent as much time there as I could. 

Fun fact, I sometimes act out my daydreams as I'm having them.  I don't do big motions like sword fights or anything, just facial expressions and I move my mouth.  Apparently I've done it since I was a kid.  I had no idea I did it though until high school math class when a girl screamed out, "I think she's having a seizure!".  She meant me.  I was daydreaming. 

I think they call that writer face. Kind of like guitar face, only with more intensity. :P

I know you feel you took some big risks with this novel (which totally paid off). What do you see as the downside of a writer not willing to take a risk with a story?

Taking risks is dangerous territory.  One of my writing heroes is Eugene O'Neill because he took many risks.  He wrote "slice of life" reality plays that are just painful (for me) to read, absurdist and expressionist plays that are amazing and complex, and epic dramas that pull you in immediately and will not let you go.  Some of his plays I love, some I feel are failures.  I respect the failures more than the victories because it takes guts to try something different.  I always hope to be willing to take a risk.

I think the downside of playing it safe, is that you can limit yourself as a writer and, worse yet, limit your story.  Each story has its own language, its own style.  You have to be true to the piece.  I don't like risk for risks sake, but stories need to be told in an organic fashion and if that means going out of bounds, then go out of bounds.  

  
Amen, sister. 

You're also a playwright, and perhaps most people who follow your blog are familiar with your short stories and flash fiction, but what made you finally want to write a novel?

My first day of film school, we had to go around the room and say what our career goals were.  I was in my mid-twenties.  I stood up in front of my class and said, "I hope to one day write novels.  I think it will take 15 years of work until I'm ready to do so.  Until then, I hope to make films."  That was eight years ago.  I'm seven years ahead of schedule. 

I've always wanted to write a novel.  Even in elementary school.  It just took me a long to time to figure out fiction and to work up the nerve.


Parts of Tough Girl reminded me of Neil Gaiman's style of writing, particularly the mixing of genres so that things move from a gritty reality to a gritty fantasy world. Is he a big influence? Who else influences your writing?

I loved Neil Gaiman's American Gods and many of his short stories.  I like his other books, too, but those are the ones that stuck with me.  Definitely an influence.

My other big influences, in no particular order, are: Virginia Woolf, Eugene O'Neill, August Strindberg, Harold Pinter, Edward Albee, Caryl Churchill, Muriel Spark, Tracy Letts, Jasper Fforde, Ian McEwan, Martin McDonagh (The Pillowman), Kurt Vonnegut, Charlie Kaufman, Brock Clarke, Hubert Selby Jr., Philip K Dick, William S Burroughs - films - Darren Aranofsky, Lars Von Trier, David Lynch, Wes Anderson, Pedro Almodovar, and many many others. 

I tend to like people with a unique perspective that are able to manipulate their chosen medium to make an impact on the audience.  These authors and directors really make their stories a visceral experience.


Okay, I'm just gonna say it. Even though this story might not be for everyone (and what book is), Tough Girl is probably one of the best self-published novels I've read, so why did you decide to bypass the traditional publication route? And what do you feel are the benefits of self-publishing in today's market?

I self-published for many reasons.  The immature reason was immediacy.  I've seen writers spend years trying to find an agent and then, when an agent is secured, even more years of waiting while the agent tries to find a publisher.  My own plays have been languishing in slushpiles for years.  I could not pass up the opportunity to get Tough Girl into the world ASAP.

The more mature reason is that I did not want to compromise on the story.  I was given advice along the way to make Reggie older to appeal to more readers, to make the connections between the dream world and reality more obvious for a broader reading base.  I was worried that going the traditional route would mean changes to the story that I felt would be detrimental. 

Also, my plans in film school were to make independent films.  I do like working under the radar.

Yeah, I sort of pegged you as an independent kind of gal. Thanks, Libby, for taking the time to answer my questions, and best of luck with your story, even if you are a Ravens fan. 




Tough Girl is available for purchase from Amazon and Barnes & Noble. You can find Libby at Goodreads, Twitter: @LibbyHeily, and her blog. 



Now go forth and read! 

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111 comments:

  1. Interesting mix of influences, Libby.
    And six kids in a three bedroom house? Whoa!
    Now, about this guitar face...
    Great interview, ladies!

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  2. Cool interview. Especially with her background in theater. Not many of us have that kind of dramatic depth to draw on.

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  3. Alex - You know you do it, the guitar face. :P

    MC - She's a great short story writer too. One of the things I love about Libby's writing is her willingness to go deep.

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  4. This sounds like a very deep book and provocative. The kind of book that would lead to interesting philosophical questions and those are the best kind of books.

    Best wishes on the success of your novel Libby.

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  5. big congrats to Libby on her new book!

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  6. Anne - It's one of those books that really tugs at your heart, especially if you're a parent. You know it's bad when a girl's most prized possession is her free school lunch card.

    Dezzy - Yes, big, big congrats. It really is a beautiful read.

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  7. I'm in the midst of reading it now and am having Libby over to visit next week :)

    Excellent interview, btw.

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    1. You know I'll be there. And I swear, if Libby had ended the novel any differently, I would have gone after her with a pitchfork. :P

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    2. Yes, I remember the threatening comment you left on my blog.

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    3. You're lucky you complied, lady. :)

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  8. Great interview. I picked up my copy yesterday.

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  9. I'm going to be smiling at writer face all morning.

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    1. You know you do it too! I caught myself doing it once while in a Donald Maass workshop. He told us to write some scene where you get revenge on someone, and my face was all twisted up while I wrote about gutting some enemy. LOL.

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  10. That's the best blurb I've read in a long time. Seriously.

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    1. Sweet! All my bloggy friends helped with it!

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    2. She had a lot of juicy story stuff to work with which helps. :D

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  11. Thanks for all the well wishes! And thanks LG for having me over!

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    1. My pleasure, Libby. I do wish you much success with this book. It's a fabulous first novel.

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  12. "I think she's having a seizure!" - gads that might stick with you. I liked your answers for self-publishing both the immature and the mature!

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    1. I have to agree -- I think her answers for why she self-published are pretty attractive reasons to bypass traditional publishers these days.

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    2. I wish I could say it was the last time someone thought something was very wrong with me while daydreaming. :)

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  13. Okay, that sounds really interesting, but I've had this idea in my head for a while about... well, I don't want your story to compromise my story.
    Great, now I have internal conflict.

    Have you read Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant books?

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    1. Andrew - You're saying you have a story about fantasy and reality colliding? I wouldn't worry about the stories being anything alike, though, if that's what you meant.

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    2. It's actually a little more complicated than -just- that, but I don't want to give anything away.

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    3. You do know my blog has a dungeon, right. I know how to make people talk. :P

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    4. I have kids. I'm fairly impervious to torture. :P

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    5. I enjoy causing a good inner conflict. ;). Haven't read the books. Would you recommend them?

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  14. I think you made the correct decision in self-publishing. These days, traditional pubs just want the same formula because it makes for standardized sales that they can count on. George R.R. Martin by the way, started out writing screenplays. That's not much different I think than what you do and he's huge. If anything, that kind of writing makes you an expert at dialogue and setting up scenes for the reader to digest.

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    1. Michael - I actually told Libby I was mad at her for not trying to get an agent or traditional publishing contract with this book. But it is a unique and quirky story, so you're probably right that the traditional publishing folks would have experienced "exploding head syndrome" if they'd tried to put a label on this novel.

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    2. I was too worried to try, just based on early feedback. Screenwriting is an exceptional way to learn economy and to say a lot with few words. I highly recommend it to all writers, along with playwriting for dialogue.

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    3. I want to add that I self-pubbed a short story and really liked the hands on approach. I got to choose my cover art (that took a week) and then I got to format it just how I liked, etc.

      I think a book would be fun to put together.

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    4. I think it would be incredibly fun to have complete creative control over a project like that. I can't help imagine what I would want my book covers to look like, and if I do end up self-publishing them, I'll enjoy that part of the process immensely.

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  15. Kudos, Libby, for not compromising your story. Tough Girl sounds like an amazing book. It's nice to meet you.

    Great interview, Luanne!

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    1. Carol - It does seem like the traditional publishers like to see things molded for the lowest common denominator sometimes. That sort of attitude would have killed a book like this one.

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  16. I love this interview and I'm glad that Libby chose to self-publish because given how much of an absolute masterpiece, Tough Girl is, I wouldn't want her to have to change a single word. This isn't just one of the best self-pubbed novels I've ever read, this is one of the best novels I've ever read. Period. I think she's done something incredibly special here and I hope that readers will recognize that!

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    1. Yeah, exactly. It's one of those cases where some big risks paid some really big dividends. She colored outside the lines and made some really pretty art. :))

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    2. Have I told you how much I love you?

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    3. I know. I'm nominating Lisa for head cheerleader. She's a pretty awesome support sister. :)

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  17. Congrats to Libby! I like her philosophy on taking risks - do it to fit what the story demands. It's great when the story takes over like that.

    I don't do writer face, but I do mutter to myself sometimes when trying to work out a scene.

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    1. I'm just glad I have something to call my apparent condition thanks to LG. :)

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  18. Congratulations, Libby! The book sounds great. Neil Gaiman is one of my favorites too. I had an immense fantasy world as a child. I still do!

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  19. Such a good interview l.g.! I can't imagine having to fend for myself in those crazy neighborhoods, but id live to read about it!

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    1. Thanks Tammy! Thanks for stopping by on a few blogs for the tour!

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  20. Nick - I agree on the risk-taking. I've caught myself holding back when I knew a scene needed something more, mostly out of fear of what people would think.

    Christine - Her novel really did remind me of Gaiman in so many ways. He's one who is very comfortable putting it all on the table and taking the risk.

    Tammy - There were so many visceral moments in the book related to food, since Reggie spends most of the book looking for her next meal. But there was also an interesting tug between her instinct for survival and her sense of morality. Good stuff.

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  21. I have heard so many good things about this book. I so want to read it!!

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  22. Sounds like a terrific book... written by an independent kinda gal. I'll be ordering it asap. Best wishes with it, Libby! And thanks for telling us about it, L.G.

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  23. Samantha - Hey, $2.99 on the Kindle. Not bad. :)

    Susan - It definitely tugs at your heartstrings, especially when you have kids of your own. You just want to take Reggie home and feed her a sandwich.

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    1. Awwww, that's so sweet. I have had a lot of comments about readers wanting to adopt Reggie.

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  24. So excited to finally be able to read this! I've read Heily's short stories and they blow me away. Congratulations on this huge accomplishment! And great interview, LG :)

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    1. Thanks Anna!!!!! I'm excited to hear what you think!

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  25. I'm so glad to have discovered Libby's book through this blog tour. I don't know how I missed her blog before but glad to have found it now! Great interview and I can't wait to read Tough Girl.

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    1. Thanks Julie! Excited to get a chance to meet you and check out your blog as well!

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  26. Anna - Yep, she was kind of smart getting us all hooked on those short stories first. :))

    Julie - Libby was flying under the radar apparently. But glad you found her now!

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  27. I loved the story about the daydreams and the "I think she's having a seizure!" reaction. I do that all the time. Fortunately, my small circle of people are is accustomed to it now.

    Best of luck to you, Libby. The book sounds amazing. I look forward to reading it.

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    1. Thanks M.J.! I still get caught all the time. Now I just smile and say, "Talking to myself." I've had to practice looking "cute" when I say it so no one thinks I'm insane. :)

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  28. This is an excellent interview! I'm looking forward to reading Tough Girl because I know it's going to be different, and I appreciate an author taking risks now and then. (although I admit I like comfort reads a lot)
    I loved the part about the daydreams too! I used to do that and still do sometimes, although when I was a kid in a neighborhood without many other kids I used to run around in our backyard, climb trees and act out the story . . . I was an only child, and had cousins who did the same things, so I had some freedom to be an oddball.
    Best of wishes to you Libby! I applaud your choice of indie publishing!

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  29. Oh . . .and I love the pic of guitar face. :-)

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    1. Can't go wrong with Nigel on guitar, and the amp cranked all the way to eleven. :D

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    2. Thanks Tyrean! None of my brothers or sisters did the daydreaming thing. I had one sister who was very embarrassed by it. Oh well, someone's gotta be the black sheep. :)

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  30. I loved Tough Girl. Reggie is awesome. Congrats to Libby!

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  31. M.J. - We are an odd bunch sometimes, aren't we? :P << yes, I just made that face while typing.

    Tyrean - Sometimes different is really good!!

    M Pax - Yeah, it's a pretty good story when weeks later you're wondering how Reggie is doing. :)

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  32. Great interview. Libby, you are a very talented person.
    And daydreams are a writer's fuel.

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  33. This sounds like a really great story- congratulations to Libby for self publishing and keeping the integrity! I'm sold and look forward to reading this :)

    I loved reading this wonderful interview!

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  34. Lynda - She's got talent and daydreams coming out her ears.

    OE - She didn't even break down once under the glare of the spotlight as I grilled her. I'm losing my touch. :P

    Lexie -Yes! Self-publishing did allow her to maintain her literary integrity. So true. And one very attractive reason for self-pubbing.

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  35. Interesting journey to self-pubbing. Congrats on being so far ahead of your goal schedule, too!

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    1. Nicole - Yeah, she did it in less than the fifteen years she thought it would take. Not bad. :)

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  36. Tough Girl sounds fascinating. I love hearing how invested we all become in our characters and their journeys along the way. Best of luck to you Libby!!!

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    1. Elsie - It so true, isn't it? If you spend a couple of years with a character, they become almost like an alter ego or something that you carry around with you everywhere you go. :)

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  37. What a concept, neat book and neat interview:)

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    1. Mark - Who hasn't wondered what would happen if they dreams and reality mixed, right? Only, for Reggie it's not so pleasant.

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  38. That was a really great, insightful interview. You're so right about going with a publisher, even a small one, meaning compromise - I don't play it safe as a writer, but boy, is my publisher doing its best to beat it into me now. Good for Libby doing it her way - sounds like it paid off & this definitely sounds like a unique, interesting read. I just added Tough Girl to my to-read list. :) Congratulations on the release!

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  39. Nicki - Ooh, that's gotta be tough when someone asks you to give in on compromises you're not used to making. Avoiding that has gotta be one of the most attractive aspects of going Independent.

    Enjoy the read!

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  40. I really enjoyed learning more about you and Tough Girl Libby! I remember first meeting Tough Girl during last year's A to Z, and I've been anxiously awaiting this moment! I'm also impressed with your great questions Luanne!
    Julie

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    1. Yeah, those excerpts had me intrigued during the A to Z too. When I finally read the book all those crazy scenes finally made sense. :)

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  41. This looks like such an interesting story! Thanks for the interview, Reggie sounds like an intriguing main character and the story sounds gritty and wonderful.

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  42. Very cool blog. Interesting posts. ;)
    Nice atmosphere guests with you here on the blog. ;]
    Yours. Have a nice day. !

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    I'm very concerned about this, please. :)
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  43. Bethany - You'd LOVE the sci-fi fantasy parts. There's a whole side story that takes place in Reggie's imagination. :)

    Patrycja - Thanks. And, sorry, I don't do Facebook.

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  44. I'm well and truly intrigued. Just downloaded my Kindle copy! :-)

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  45. Great interview.

    I sometimes act out my daydreams, too--and occasionally wonder if I check myself enough when I'm daydreaming in public. LOL.

    Congratulations on your book!

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  46. Linda - Awesome!! Enjoy.

    Golden Eagle - LOL. I know! Sometimes, too, when I'm deep into a book I'm reading in public, I will look up later and wonder if I was making faces while reacting to some crazy scene. I do that sometimes. :P

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  47. Thanks everyone! LG asked terrific questioms. Thank you all so much for the support!!!!

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  48. This is a great interview. I am definitely interested in reading this now. Thanks for sharing!

    www.modernworld4.blogspot.com

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    1. Gina - Glad you enjoyed it. Have a great weekend. :)

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  49. Awesome. Could my heart survive this story? Hm. I just might have to go snatch it up...

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    1. Crystal - It's tough to read about someone so young suffering through all the stuff she goes through, but Libby writes it in such a poignant way that you know there's meaning behind each scene.

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  50. Excellent interview ladies! Congratulations Libby! I just purchased and am looking forward to the read....

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  51. Great interview -- sounds like an intriguing read. I've always used my writing as a way to disengage from reality, but only for an hour or two every now and then...

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  52. Tracy - Yay!! Love having a Kindle and being able to download books in an instant. :)

    Milo - Oh, me too. Writing is just one long daydream sometimes.

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  53. I've seen this elsewhere and I really think the premise is amazing. It's on my TBR list.

    Congrats to Libby!

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  54. Congrats to Libby and good luck for her book. She seems a lot more determined than me and I really admire that, I also like that she chose to self publish to avoid compromising on her writing . The best of luck.

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  55. Hey! You've been nominated as best reviewer on my blog. There are prizes to be won for those voted first and second, so please go check it out. :-)

    http://sylmion.blogspot.com/2013/01/news-day-week-3-announcing-nominees-and.html

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  56. Emily - Yay! As a mom you'll just want to take this kid home.

    unikorna - Yep, Libby is one determined writer. She kicks my butt at getting projects published.

    Misha - Cool! I'll check it out. :))

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  57. Sounds like Walter Mitty she ain't. I think some of the greatest literature is the result of authors being willing to take risks.

    Lee
    Tossing It Out

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    1. I sometimes think I'm a living, breathing Walter Mitty. :)

      Totally agree about risk-taking by authors. Love it when it pays off.

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